Residents’ Association

DOWNE RESIDENTS’ ASSOCIATION

COMMITTEE MEETING TO BE HELD IN DOWNE VILLAGE HALL

MONDAY 28th SEPTEMBER 2009 at 8pm

AGENDA

1. APOLOGIES

2. MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF 21st July 2009

3. MATTERS ARISING - Road surface & Footpath at Weller Place

Wash House Picnic Site

Lamppost & bollard painting

4. CORRESPONDENCE

5. COUNCILLOR BLOOMFIELD

6. POLICE & ROAD SAFETY

7. WORLD HERITAGE SITE

8. PLANNING APPLICATIONS

The Orchard, Rookery Road – single storey rear ext.

The Chalet, North End Lane - single storey side/rear extension

& roof alterations to include front & rear dormers

9. PLANNING DECISIONS

Maples, Single Street – Fence & Gates – Refused

The Rookery – Application to discharge Legal Agreements –Permitted

Down House – Temporary use of Great House Meadow for car

parking days per year

Land adjoining Holwood Farm – Set back existing entrance gates

by 6 metres – Application withdrawn

Christmas Tree Farm – Chalet building in courtyard – Permitted

Cudham Church Hall – Demolition of existing hall & erection of a

2 storey 4 bedroom parsonage - Refused

10. SUNDAY TEAS – 2nd August raised £85 Last Teas this year

4th October and help & cakes will be needed

11. ANY OTHER BUSINESS

DOWNE RESIDENTS’ ASSOCIATION

Minutes of the Committee Meeting held on Tuesday 28th July 2009 at

Downe Village Hall.

Present: J. Camber, D. Evans, S. Jewell, J. Lambourne, T. Longshaw

S. Potter, B. Powell, D. Powell (Chairman), D. Witherspoon and

Councillor Bloomfield.

1. Apologies – A. Perry, T. Peskett

2. MINUTES

The Minutes of 19th June 2009 had been circulated and taken as

read and were confirmed and signed.

3. MATTERS ARISING - None

4. CORRESPONDENCE

4.1. Road Closure – North End Lane between Mill Lane and High Street

commencing Sunday 23rd August for three consecutive Sundays.

4.2. The Queen’s Head – We have received a response to our letter

from the Chief Executive of Punch Taverns. They are seeking a

manager and hope to reopen soon after which they will consider

refurbishment of the premises.

5. POLICE

5.1. Dave Witherspoon reported 8 thefts had been reported in Darwin

Ward during July. Including theft from a vehicle from High Elms.

5.2. Safer Neighbourhood Panel – At their recent meeting the Crime

Cash Back Policy was discussed. This is money received from the

proceeds of crime and is to be given to good causes.

5.3. The Safer Neighbourhood Team would like another vehicle to

cover Darwin Ward. Currently, they share a car with Biggin Hill.

6. ROAD SAFETY

6.1. D.W. - Dave Jackman & Dave Chilvers have both retired. J. King is

the new Traffic Engineer.

6.2. A 20 mph speed limit is to be imposed in Jail Lane between Charles

Darwin and Cudham Schools.

6.3. D.W. – Reported there is no legislation which covers 20 mph speed

limits, which brought into question enforcement.

6.4. T.L. enquired about the yellow lines which appeared around the

pond. Chairman replied these were installed then removed due to

a misunderstanding regarding what should have been temporary

no parking signs for the Air Fair. Yellow lines were due to be

renewed and the workmen could see faint lines around the pond

which had been removed. So they thought they should put them

back as there were no parking signs on the lampposts. It should be

noted that in future there will be no yellow lines in the conservation

area, they will be Primrose Yellow instead.

7. COUNCILLOR BLOOMFIELD

7.1. Dr Taylor of Petley’s Farm would like to know what would be

acceptable to Bromley Council regarding the old barns area.

7.2. Road surface by the Village Green – A meeting was held with Nigel

Davies regarding the disappearance of the road surface and also

the surface of the footway next to 17 High Street. It was agreed

that the road will be repaired and also the surface of the footway.

7.3. It was suggested that Marc Hume should be written to for support

regarding the various defects in the highway and street furniture.

he is concerned as to cost on his restricted budget.

7.4. The seat in the village centre is in hand and it is proposed to place

oak posts to protect the seat from future damage by vehicles.

7.5. Wash House Picnic Site, North End Lane – Mrs Powell remarked

the site has not been cleared back to its boundaries. The litter bin

has not been replaced.

7.6. Planning Department has staffing problems at senior level. The

Chief Planner has had an eye operation and his hours are very

restricted at present. Peter Martin is in Australia due to a

bereavement and Nigel Davies is on holiday. Leaving just Tony

Stuart to manage the department.

7.7. The plans for the new Vicarage at Cudham on the site of the Parish

Hall have been lodged and are controversial in Cudham. Some

residents want to retain the hall & some build a new hall in the rec.

The proposal contains three elements. The Vicarage, conversion

of part of Cudham Church for community use and the installation

of a kitchen and toilet in the tower of Downe Church. They really

should be separated into three applications if approval is to be

attained.

7.8 “Romney”, Luxted Road - The large circular sign has been given

permission and it is to be questioned whether such signage should

be permitted in the Green Belt and in an Area of Control of

Advertisements.

7.9. “Maples”, Single Street - Front gates and fencing amended plans

have been submitted having recently lost their appeal.

7.10.‘The Chalet’ North End Lane – This application was refused but

part of it may be permitted development.

8. DOWNE VILLAGE CONSERVATION AREA STATEMENT

A Public Consultation was held over this document, villagers

residing in the conservation area had been informed a meeting

was to take place in the Village Hall. Attendance was very poor

and Council Officers can only assume residents are satisfied.

9. WORLD HERITAGE SITE

At the Steering Group Meeting a sub committee was set up to

create a programme for the assessors visit. DP & DW will

represent the residents.

10. PLANNING APPLICATIONS

2 Snow’s Cottages, Luxted Road – Internal repairs (Listed Grade II)

Cudham Church Hall – Demolition of existing church hall and

erection of 2 storey, 4 bedroom parsonage. Outline. (See 7.7)

11. PLANNING DECISIONS

The Chalet, North End Lane – Single storey side & rear extensions

roof alterations & front & rear dormers. REFUSED.

Land West of Broom Bank Reservoir, Shire Lane – Temporary

winter shelter, fencing and grazing of horses. REFUSED

Land to the rear of Holwood Cottages, Shire Lane – woodchip &

log storage - An appeal has been lodged against Enforcement.

11. ANY OTHER BUSINESS

11.1.Trowmers is only Locally Listed and it has been queried why it is

not Listed Grade II.

11.2.Sunday Teas on 2nd August – Offers of help and cakes please.

Signed: D Powell

Date: 28th September 2009

DOWNE RESIDENTS’ ASSOCIATION

AGENDA

COMMITTEE MEETING TUESDAY 21st JULY 2009

DOWNE VILLAGE HALL 8pm

1. APOLOGIES

2. MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF 19th JUNE 2009

3. MATTERS ARISING

4. CORRESPONDENCE - Road closure

5. THE QUEEN’S HEAD

6. COUNCILLOR BLOOMFIELD

7. POLICE

8. ROAD SAFETY

9. DOWNE VILLAGE CONSERVATION AREA CONSULTATION

10. WORLD HERITAGE SITE – Steering Group meeting

11. PLANNING APPLICATIONS

2 Snow’s Cottages, Luxted Road – Listed Building – Internal repairs

Maples, Single St. Retrospective application for boundary fence.

Cudham Church Hall – Demolition of existing church hall & erection

of 2 storey, 4 bedroom Parsonage. Outline Application.

12. PLANNING DECISIONS

The Chalet, North End Lane – single storey side & rear extensions

roof alterations & front & rear dormers - REFUSED

Land west of Broom Bank Reservoir, Shire Lane – Temporary

winter shelter, fencing & grazing of horses - REFUSED

13. ANY OTHER BUSINESS

SUNDAY TEAS 2nd AUGUST 2009 Please offer cakes and help.

items for the stall are most welcome.

DOWNE RESIDENTS’ ASSOCIATION

Minutes of the Committee Meeting held in Downe Village Hall at 8pm on Friday 19th June 2009.

Present: D.Evans, J. Lambourne, T.Longshaw, A.Perry, B.Powell, D.Powell (Chairman), D.Witherspoon & Councillor Bloomfield & J.Camber.

1.APOLOGIES - S.Potter, S.Jewell & T.Peskett

2.MINUTES: The Minutes of the 12th May 2009 were taken as read and were approved and signed.

3.MATTERS ARISING - None

4.CORRESPONDENCE

4.1THE QUEEN’S HEAD – A letter to the Chief Executive of the owners of the pub, Punch Taverns, was read to members who approved the letter be sent enquiring about the long closure and its future.

4.2Borough Briefing was circulated to members.

5.POLICE

D.Witherspoon reported that there has not been a panel meeting recently. Cycle training has taken place for officers at the Downe Activity Centre.

There have been many incidents of break-ins to outbuildings lately.

The Bromley Community Engagement Forum is meeting at the Bromley Football Club on 2nd July. The Police Commissioner will be answering questions and it is open to the public. 6.30 for 7pm.

6.ROAD SAFETY

D.W. informed us there had been four fatal accidents in the

Bromley area recently.

Repeater speed signs have been installed along Shire Lane.

The bridleway/footpath from Cudham Lane North near the Girl Guide Camp will be closed from 27th July to 8th August for a Scout Jamboree.

7.COUNCILLOR BLOOMFIELD

7.1.Shire Lane woodchip storage – This use is the subject of an Enforcement Notice.

7.2.The sign outside ‘Romney’ Luxted Road has been removed. Members informed our Cllr. the new large gallows type sign remains which was the subject of the enquiry.

7.3.Christmas Tree Farm – The Council have requested a planning application be made for the Chalet building in the centre of the yard.

7.4.Downe Court Manor – there are various issues being dealt with by other agencies.

7.5.A night duty police patrol car will operate in Darwin Ward to counteract the increase in crime.

7.6.The chair of the Safer Neighbourhood Panel has informed him there has been 67 non-residential burglaries, 28 of which were in the last month.

7.7.Planning Department – This is under even more pressure as the Head of Development Control, Bob McQuillan, has been in hospital and it is unlikely he will be able to work for some time. This leaves Chris Evans, Tony Stuart and Peter Martin to share the workload.

7.8.High Street deep clean – Our councillor picked up our request to Cllr. Smith to deep clean the village centre Air Fair weekend as there should be no cars there. This will be done.

7.9.Jail Lane – between Old Tye Avenue and Cudham Primary School. It is proposed to bring in a 20mph speed limit.

7.10.Rookery Villas, Rookery Road. The gates erected there are lawful.

7.11.Orchard Car Park, North End Lane – Parking tickets issued there will be raised by our Councillor.

Dave Evans withdrew for another engagement at 9.30pm.

8.Wash House Picnic Site, North End Lane – The site has been the subject of complaints as it is overgrown and often has dumped rubbish. It will be the responsibility of the Countryside Management Service in the future.

9.PLANNING APPLICATIONS

9.1.The Chalet, North End Lane – Single storey side/rear extension and roof alterations with front and rear dormers.

9.2.Down House – Temporary overflow car park for up to 90 days per year for 2 years in Great House Meadow.

9.3.The Coach House, Orange Court Lane – Timber Shed

Certificate of Lawfullness for proposed development. Permitted.

10.DOWNE VILLAGE CONSERVATION AREA STATEMENT

Public Consultation in the Village Hall on 1st July from 7-9pm.

11.ANY OTHER BUSINESS

11.1Gully by Village Pond – Fencing and Men at Work signs had been around the gully for weeks. Awaiting reply from Jim Raggett.

11.2New Road Hill gully - Work will commence soon on the gully when the Japanese Knotweed has been treated.

11.3Mrs Powell asked our Councillor who is now responsible for hedge cutting in High Elms Road as Mr Tremaine’s land now starts the other side of the bridleway? Both the bridleway sides and the road must be kept cut for safety reasons, the tops must be cut as well as the sides. Cllr. will look into the matter.

11.4Mrs Powell also asked for our Councillor to assist in getting a better surface on the footpath between 15 & 17 High Street where the garage to 17 was erected. Footpaths Officer says its for Highways to deal with it and vice-versa. Cllr. will take it on board.

11.5High Street hedges. What was once Petley’s land adjoining the High Street has been sold and since it has new ownership the hedges have not been cut. The Council has never told us who owns the land. It is getting out of hand and will soon grow into trees, the Council have cut around the street lights but no more.

11.6D.W. has been informed of a campaign to create a bridleway from Luxted Road to the village by way of the public footpath adjacent to ‘Moonrakers’ in Birdhouse Lane. He was concerned that he had heard nothing about a petition and he is on the Road Safety Panel. Our association had enquired about the possibility several years ago starting adjacent to Northfield Cottage across Downe Court land crossing Cudham Road and linking into the High Elms Road bridleway. Nothing was forthcoming.

12.SUNDAY TEAS – 2nd AUGUST Cakes & help needed please.

Signed: D. Powell

Date: 21st July 2009

DOWNE RESIDENTS’ ASSOCIATION

Minutes of the Committee Meeting held on 12th May 2009 at Downe Village Hall.

Present: D. Evans, J. Isbell (Part), S. Jewell, J. Lambourne, A. Perry,

S. Potter, B. Powell, D. Powell (Chairman), D. Witherspoon, T. Longshaw

(Guest), & Cllr. Bloomfield (Part).

1. APOLOGIES: J. Camber

2. MINUTES: The Minutes of the 14th April 2009 had been circulated and were taken as read and were approved and signed subject to Item 11

Village Hall: being altered to “3 new 6 ft. tables” instead of 9 tables.

3. MATTERS ARISING

3.1. Airport Tours - D. Witherspoon took up the invitation and toured the

predominantly business area.

3.2. Safer Neighbourhood Panel – S. Jewell stated he has been invited to join the panel as he works with young people.

4. CORRESPONDENCE

4.1. Road Closure – A Traffic Order for the closure of Shire Lane on Sunday 5th July 2009 between High Elms Road and North End Lane has been received. This should only be for one day so BT can carry out duct works.

This will be followed by two further days when temporary traffic lights will

be used near North End Lane for one day and Church Road the next.

4.2. DW reported that Luxted Road will be closed when BT replace the over-head cables and poles sometime in September for one week.

4.3. Blocked gullies – BP had reported gullies blocked and J.Raggett of

Bromley Council thought they had been cleared as the contractor had

billed LBB for the work. J. Raggett found the work had not been done

and he personally supervised the clearing of all gullies in the High Street

and Luxted Road.

4.4. Pavement outside “The Lilacs”. This is difficult to walk upon due to the

slope. Bromley Council have offered to put in a proper kerb or reset the cobbles higher. They have asked our preference. Mr Davis of The Lilacs would prefer the cobbles reset and the pavement more level and the

committee agreed.

5. POLICE

5.1. DW reported the damaged village tree seat to the police. The damage

occurred during the night. Bromley Council have offered to replace the

damaged section.

5.2. There has been a large number of breakins in particular of sheds.

5.3. Black tyre marks are on the road at Berrys Green and outside Charles

Darwin School caused by deliberately skidding.

6. ROAD SAFETY

6.1. A speed limit of 20 mph is being looked into by Cllr. Smith. We qualify as Green Lanes and junctions can be extended and chicanes created. Our

Chairman remarked that they surely must be accident spots to justify the

works and expense.

6.2. TL asked what is the speed limit in Shire Lane? Reply 40mph. He then asked why there are no repeater signs there? Especially considering the high accident rate. DW to enquire.

Councillor Bloomfield joined the meeting at this point.

6.3. TL bought to our attention that when the road sweeper has swept North End Lane it leaves large flints in the road which have washed down the unmade roads. i.e. Standard Road, Orange Court Lane and Bogey Lane. Cllr. will look into the problem.

7. WORLD HERITAGE SITE

7.1. At a recent meeting of the Steering Group it was noted that the village

parking problems were not nearly as bad when Great House Meadow is

open for parking.

7.2. Visitors to Down House average 400 daily and on Easter Monday there were 820.

7.3. Parking Attendants operate here at weekends and a car parked on the

Orchard Car Park received a PCN of £100. They have been advised to

appeal.

7.4. English Heritage are to seek planning permission to use Great House

Meadow for more than 28 days a year. This was unthinkable 10 years

ago and our chairman has been trying to find out what has changed.

Our chairman and vice chairman met with Rowan the gardener at Down

House and he maintains that Darwin’s research there was further into the

field, so parking near the hedge was alright as it was not so important.

7.5. Concern was raised as to the poor sight lines from the field. Our Cllr

remarked that a mirror in the hedge opposite may solve the problem and

EH will have to seek Mr & Mrs Tremaine’s permission to do so.

Cllr Bloomfield also commented that if permission was forthcoming there

would be conditions attached. Possibly limiting the number of days a

year, but we need to see an application first.

J.L commented that it is the only solution to the huge problem.

John Isbell left the meeting at this point.

8. AIRPORT – Our Councillor reported that the Biggin Hill Heritage Centre has been approved by the council. DW commented that our Cllr spoke very well in its favour.

9. COUNCILLOR BLOOMFIELD

9.1. The Lilacs Luxted Road - Cllr stated it is the year end for the council and there is enough money for small projects such as the pavement there.

9.2. Rookery Villas – A tenant has requested a gated entry there which is not part of their planning permission.

9.3. Shire Lane – The Borough is looking at ways to reduce accidents and

speeding there.

9.4. Land to the rear of Holwood Cottages – The storage of logs and wood – chips is being investigated by the council.

9.5. Romney, Luxted Road – The advertisement sign, the owners have been invited to submit a planning application.

9.6. Christmas Tree Farm – The chalet there may have been sited without the benefit of planning permission and will be looked at by the council.

10. PLANNING – DECISIONS

Biggin Hill Heritage Centre – application permitted

Petleys Farmhouse – Removal of 106 agreement for agricultural worker

Occupancy – Application refused.

11. AIR FAIR

11.1. DW attends their meetings and informed us that the gates will close at 2pm and we await a Traffic Order.

11.2. TL asked how are golfers expected to leave when the traffic flow is

against them until 2pm? Can provision be made for them?

DW will follow the matter up.

11.3. Our Sunday Teas dates are 2nd August and 4th October.

11.4. This was Ted Longhurst’s second meeting and it was proposed that

he be invited to join the committee. A unanimous vote was taken and

the chairman welcomed him as a co-opted member.

Signed …

D Powell……………….

Chairman

Date …19.06.2009…………………

DOWNE RESIDENTS’ ASSOCIATION

Minutes of the Committee Meeting held on 14th April 2009 in Downe Village Hall.

Present: J.Camber, D.Evans, J.Isbell, J.Lambourne, T.Peskett S.Potter, B.Powell, D.Powell (Chairman), D.Witherspoon, Cllr. Bloomfield and Guest T. Longshaw.

1. TO OPEN THE MEETING - The Chairman welcomed T.Longshaw who has shown a keen interest in the work of the committee.

2. APOLOGIES – S.Jewell and A.Perry

3. MINUTES – The Minutes of 13th February had been circulated and were taken as read and were approved and signed.

4. MATTERS ARISING – There were none.

5. ELECTION OF OFFICERS

Chairman – D. Powell Airport – D. Powell

Vice Chair - D. Witherspoon Air Fair – D. Witherspoon

Hon. Treasurer - J. Lambourne Planning – B.Powell

Hon. Secretary - B. Powell LBB Res. Fed – B.Powell

Village Hall - J.Isbell Tree Warden - D.Evans

Police & Road Safety - D.Witherspoon

Councillor Bloomfield has to leave the meeting early so it was decided

not to follow the order of the agenda and deal with the Councillor’s business initially.

6.1 VILLAGE PARKING – In response to our Cllr’s inquiry regarding how the village coped over the Easter Bank Holiday with visitors, our chairman stated it was appalling. He produced photos of gridlock on the Monday at 2pm in the village centre. Pavement parking was everywhere and cars parked in Great House Meadow numbered over 100 and over 40 in Down House car park. Plus those parked at Christmas Tree Farm and in every conceivable place in the village gives a good idea of the unbelievable numbers and the chaos created here.

T.Longshaw complained about a huge coach which recently came up High Elms Road, it took 45 minutes. It came from Kent and TL wondered why there were not given a route? Chairman replied they are meant to come via the Keston Mark and through the village, but getting the message to the driver of the day is the problem.

J. Lambourne asked if there was an overall plan to cope with the visitor numbers? Chairman replied it is the absence of a Visitor Management Plan that is the problem. There has been much talk and a survey, but nothing has been actioned either by English Heritage or Bromley Council.

We wrote to Dr. Simon Thurley, Chief Executive of English Heritage and

Chief Supt Griggs of Bromley Police about the number of visitors invading our village on a daily basis. Dr Thurley replied eventually leaving us to confer with Richard Freeland, but we have not heard from Ch Supt. Griggs. EH’s advertising campaign in London and the south east marking the 200th anniversary of Charles Darwin’s birth, along with the many TV and radio programmes produced chaos here.

Resulting from our letter, EH called a meeting at Down House which included the Police, Fire Service & Council Officers. EH have withdrawn the large billboard adverts, but they remain on the buses & the tube. They claim the Timed Ticket system they used to operate does not work. Yet the Natural History Museum are doing so with the current Darwin Exhibition there.

The Council will consider extending the yellow lines after public consultation. Traffic Wardens do come periodically, but were absent on Easter Sunday & Monday. They have to volunteer for Bank Holidays.

The Chief Insp. of Traffic, Insp. Smith & Sgt. Martin along with the Vice

Chairman of The Safer Neighbourhood Panel attended and could offer no assistance to our plight beyond supporting more yellow banding for

the Traffic Wardens to book offenders – when they come.

Our Safer Neighbourhood Team only work one weekend in three and will not undertake booking anyone for obstruction. They claim they cannot prove who was the last car to park, so cannot do anything. (One car can cause obstruction in our lanes).

Cllr. Bloomfield said he could well understand our frustration and felt a meeting should be called by Bromley Council – not EH – with the view to get some results. He would like Mr Hooper for Traffic Wardens, P.Martin, Head of Heritage & Design, Insp. Smith, Richard Freeland for EH, Marc Hume Director of Renewal & Recreation and reps from Downe RA to attend.

Cllr. Bloomfield added that in the light of no acknowledgement of our letter to Chief Supt. Griggs he will take the matter further.

6.2. HERITAGE CENTRE AT BIGGIN HILL – Plans have been submitted.

6.3. PAVEMENT OUTSIDE THE LILACS & PONDFIELD HOUSE

This pavement is far from level and there is no kerb, just a cobbled edge virtually the same level as the road and pavement parking is making it worse. It was due to be attended to 5 years ago but got shelved. Secretary asked our Councillor if anything can be done. He replied he has forwarded the matter to the appropriate officer for consideration.

6.4. TROWMERS – Brenda Powell is the Downe rep on the Advisory Panel for Conservation Areas and had enquired of our councillor why Trowmers (which is currently up for sale) is only locally listed when it has features by the courtesy of Sarah Wedgwood, Emma Darwin’s sister. Cllr. agreed that normally a Grade 2 listing is to protect the building internally as well as externally and he thought maybe this has been overlooked. Mrs Powell wondered as it had been altered so much over the years, perhaps that was why it is only locally listed. Councillor stated it is really contributing to Downe’s local history and will take the matter to the conservation officer.

7. DARWIN SAFER NEIGHBOURHOOD PANEL

The first AGM of the panel was held at Charles Darwin School recently.

Around 26 people attended who were chiefly panel members and included 9 residents from Downe.

Judith Cross said she would stay as chairman until the next Panel Meeting as there were no other nominations. The chairman and Sgt. Martin stated we were fortunate to live in a very safe area.

At the last Panel Meeting D.Evans attended with our panel member D.Witherspoon, with the view to replacing DW as our Panel Rep. The chairman and Sgt. Martin declared him as ‘unsuitable’ alleging he was asleep at the recent Panel Meeting. D.E strongly denied this claim and explained to our committee he was sitting in the only vacant seat which was a low sofa, where his eyes were at table level and his restricted view between the backs of two members was directly across the table towards a young lady member. To avoid causing her any discomfort he averted his gaze as much as possible, which could have been misconstrued as being asleep.

Judith Cross informed our Chairman that the Panel appoints new members – not our residents’ association – and she has someone in mind. She would not disclose their name as she claims she has yet to ask them. It was generally felt by members present that the manner in which the panel members are selected and officers appointed is undemocratic and cause for concern. Our Councillor will take the matter up with a Council Officer.

Our Councillor left the meeting at this point at 9.30pm and we returned to the remaining items on the agenda.

8. CORRESPONDENCE

8.1. Mrs Powell has been trying to get the High Street repaired near the Village Green since January. The officer responsible has says it needs special treatment, hence the delay.

8.2. Road Closures – Shire Lane & High Elms Road will be closed ‘sometime in the future’ to enable deep cleansing of the drains.

9. AIRPORT – The Chairman enquired if everyone has received an invitation to tour the airport? Not everyone has, but some did the tour last time.

10. BROMLEY RESIDENTS’ FEDERATION – They have elected a new Chairman at their AGM recently. He is Dr. Hadley of Crofton Res. Assn.

11. VILLAGE HALL – J. Isbell reported nine (amended to three at the meeting) new 6ft tables have been ordered. The bookings are on the increase and the kitchen design is in

hand with S.Snipp and Telda Peskett.

12. PLANNING APPLICATIONS

12.1. Biggin Hill Heritage Centre – 2 storey detached building to provide Heritage Centre including associated access, parking and landscaping. No comment.

12.2. Petley’s Farm – Removal of 106 Agreement attached to permission 00/00141 relating to the requirement for the dwelling to be occupied by persons engaged or employed in the use of Petley’s Farm for agriculture. Letter sent regarding earlier application stated the farm was viable and needed the farmhouse.

12.3. Flora Cottage, Luxted Road – First floor extension & increase in roof height to form additional accommodation. Withdrawn from Plans Committee agenda.

12.4. Land West of Broom Bank Plot 1b – Use of land for keeping & exercising (up to 12 horses) erection of boundary fencing; temporary winter shelter. Letter querying Badger Setts etc to be sent and similarity to earlier application which was refused.

13. PLANNING DECISIONS

13.1. 5 High Street – Change of use from Office (Class B1) to Counselling Service. APPLICATION REFUSED

13.2. Little Pucklands, West Hill – Alterations to roof to include dormers & replacement windows APPLICATION PERMITTED

13.3. Petley’s Farm, Luxted Road – Conversion & renovation of existing outbuildings for change of use to live/work unit including formation of residential curtilage & demolition of existing structures. APPLICATION REFUSED

13.4. 9 Standard Road–Part one/two storey side extension. APPLICATION PERMITTED

13.5.Down House, Luxted Road – Installation of parasols in the Tea Room. APPLICATION PERMITTED

14. ANY OTHER BUSINESS

14.1. SUNDAY TEAS – Our dates are 2nd August & 4th October.

14.2. FLYTIPPING – S.Potter reported an old transit van tipped rubbish

in his drive at 5.10pm on 10th April.

D.E asked if the trailer plus other items at New Road Hill next to Briar Cottage is rubbish? J.Isbell thought so and asked for number to ring as it is on Council property.

D.W reported that when the gas works in the High Street were left open over the weekend a flytipper dumped rubbish in the hole!

14.3. AIR FAIR – The usual Traffic Order will be in place and usual one-way routes will apply. The airport will open at 8am and will close the gates at 2pm.

14.4.The sign at the Cat Rescue at Romney, Luxted Road is highly questionable being in an Area of Control of Advertisements. As this now makes two signs at the premises, enquiries will be made as to whether this is permissible.

Signed

D Powell……………………..

Chairman

Date: 12th May 2009

DOWNE RESIDENTS’ ASSOCIATION

Minutes of the Committee Meeting held on Friday 13th February 2009 at

2pm at Downe Village Hall.

Present: D. Evans, J. Isbell, A. Perry, T. Peskett, B. Powell,

D. Powell (Chairman) & Cllr. Bloomfield

1. APOLOGIES: J. Camber, S. Jewell, S. Potter & J. Lambourne

2. MINUTES

The minutes of the meeting of 27th November 2008 had been

circulated and were taken as read and were approved and signed.

3. MATTERS ARISING

3.1. The Broom Bank application – there has been no contact with

D. Witherspoon regarding a Badger Survey.

3.2. The Green Roof Café at High Elms has been granted a drinks

license providing a meal is purchased.

4. CORRESPONDENCE

4.1. ‘Street Friends’ – A letter has been received from Bromley Council

establishing this new initative which involves volunteers litter

picking, reporting defective street lights , highway repairs &

graffiti removal.

4.2. High Elms Road – This will be closed for road works. (See Item 8).

4.3. Capital Community Assn. Grants – Leaflets passed to the church &

Village Hall via J. Isbell.

4.4. Gas works in the High Street and Luxted Road will be deferred

unless repairs become urgent.

5. WORLD HERITAGE SITE

5.1. The new application was submitted last month entitled ‘Darwin’s

Landscape Laboratory.’

5.2. Charles Darwin’s Birthday – 200th anniversary yesterday the

12th February and villagers were invited to Down House to view

the new exhibition which proved to be a great success.

5.3. A Civic Service will be held at St. Mary’s to commemorate

Charles Darwin’s Birthday on Sunday 15th February where the

Mayor of Bromley will attend and the Bishop of Rochester will

deliver the sermon.

6. POLICE

6.1. DW reported there has been a spate of shed & garage burglaries in

the area.

6.2 Both golf club car parks have had vehicles broken into.

6.3. Dave Witherspoon is standing down as our Safer Neighbourhood

Panel representative after three years. Chairman thanked him for

his services on the panel and commented a replacement will be

hard to fill. Dave Evans was asked and he replied he would give

the matter thought.

7. ROAD SAFETY

7.1. DW commented that today was the first day Down House is open

to the public and Luxted Road & West Hill were crammed full with

parked cars.

7.2. A Quiet Lane policy is being investigated by the Road Safety Panel

with a possible introduction of a 20mph speed limit.

The chairman raised the question of enforcing such a restriction.

8. HOLES IN HIGH ELMS ROAD

The Secretary had reported the edges of the roads were breaking

up seriously in High Elms Road to Bromley Council. They replied

the damage is not repaired unless it encroaches onto the main

structure of the road. The matter has been referred to the Portfolio

Holder for the Environment as these are narrow lanes and any

edges that breakaway can be dangerous. Work now underway.

9. VILLAGE HALL

J. Isbell reported the uncovered passage has been given planning

permission for a flat roof & skylight. This will mean that the kitchen

can be extended and refitted. Estimates are being sought and

Telda Peskett offered assistance with kitchen planning if required.

10. COUNCILLOR BLOOMFIELD

10.1.Airport – Cllr. stated that regarding concern about the Police Air

Support Unit helicopters using Biggin Hill 24/7, to date there has

10.1. been no application received from Biggin Hill Airport Ltd.

10.2. Heritage Centre, Biggin Hill – The committee has reached a

decision to proceed with an application to build on the original

site at Leavesden opposite the Main Gate.

10.3. Cllr. Bloomfield also reported that the following planning

applications were determined last week:

2 Greenhill Cottages extension - Approved

Shire Farm Farthing Street 2 stable blocks etc - Refused

Downe Village Hall – flat roof & skylight extension over

uncovered passage – Approved

10.4. Cllr. commented that he noted concerns that the new boundary

wall at the former “The Rookery” was not in keeping with the fine

new building and the old wall was of flint.

10.5. Land south of The Paddock, New Road Hill. The stables erected

there have been moved onto Downe Court Riding Stables land.

They do not have permission to be there either.

11. PLANNING MATTERS

11.1. “The Rookery” name change “Knox Villas” was because the Fire

Service were concerned that there could be confusion with

“Rookery Cottages” nearby. Many villagers disapproved of

Knox Villas and our Councillor contacted the owner and he has

agreed to change it to “Rookery Villas”.

11.2. Parsons Hill Field Luxted Road – All weather turnout arena

Appeal allowed.

11.3. BUCKSTON BROWNE FARM, WEST HILL – A public consultation

was held in the village hall on 7th February so architects could

consult villagers on their plans for converting the house into

four dwellings and building 5 houses. No application has been

made to date.

12. PLANNING APPLICATIONS

PETLEY’S FARM – Conversion & renovation of existing out-

buildings for change of use to live/work unit including formation

of residential curtilage & demolition of existing structures.

Query live/work & capability of conversion.

9 STANDARD ROAD – Part one/two storey side extension

No comment.

5 High Street – Change of use from Office (Class B1) to

Counselling Services (ClassD1).

No comment.

LITTLE PUCKLANDS, WEST HILL – Roof alterations to include

dormers and replacement windows.

No comment.

FLORA COTTAGE, LUXTED ROAD – 1st floor extension & increase

roof height to form additional accommodation

Query increase in size over size of original building.

13. PLANNING APPLICATIONS

The AGM will be on Friday 6th March 2009 and all members present

agreed to stand for re-election.

Cllr Bloomfield suggested that Colin Hitchens, manager of the Air

Fair and Senior Officer for the Fire Brigade for the area was willing

to be a guest speaker.

A member of the Safer Neighbourhood Team will also be invited to

give an update on local police matters.

There being no other business to discuss the meeting closed at 4.10pm

Signed …D Powell………………

Chairman

Date 14th April 2009………………

Downe Residents’ Association AGM

Downe Residents’ Association held their AGM in the Village Hall on 16th March 2009. The Meeting was chaired by the Residents’ Chairman, Derek Powell, and about sixty residents attended.

Biggin Hill Blue watch Firefighters gave a talk on fire safety in the home. They will, if requested, make a home visit and assess your home for fire safety, they can be contacted on 0208 555 1200 ex 32601.

Dave Witherspoon updated the residents on details of this year’s Air Fair to be held at Biggin Hill on 27 and 28th June. The gates open at 8.00 a.m. and flying commences at 11.45 a.m. continuing until 17.30. The traffic plan will probably be the same as last year – further details from the Biggin Hill Air Show website: www.bigginhillairfair.co.uk

The main concern for villagers was the increase in traffic and the inconsiderate parking experienced by residents since Down House reopened on 13th February. It was reported that over 160 vehicles were parked in the Village on the Sunday of the weekend previous to the AGM. At one point a fire appliance from Biggin Hill Fire Station could not access the village due to obstruction by parked cars. On another occasion the R8 bus from Orpington to Biggin Hill was suspended for the same reason. A member of Darwin Police, present at the meeting, reported that parking is now the responsibility of the Council and as such they could not issue tickets for parking offences!

It was suggested that an urgent meeting to discuss the traffic and parking problems be arranged between: English Heritage, Downe Residents, Police, Fire Brigade, Councillor Peter Bloomfield and London Borough of Bromley.

DOWNE RESIDENTS’ ASSOCIATION

Minutes of the Committee Meeting held on Thursday 27th November 2008 at “LYNNDON” Luxted Road.

Present: D. Evans, J. Lambourne, A. Perry, T. Peskett, B. Powell,

D. Powell (Chairman), D. Witherspoon & Councillor P. Bloomfield.(Part)

1. Apologies: S. Potter, J. Camber & J. Isbell

2. MINUTES - The Minutes of the meeting held on Thursday 16th

October 2008 had been circulated and were taken as read and

were confirmed and signed.

3. MATTERS ARISING - Seven hanging baskets have been installed

in the village centre by Bromley Council’s Parks & Green Spaces.

4. CORRESPONDENCE

4.1. BT Telephone Box at Luxted – No further action. The box is now

the property of the owner of Luxted Farm and the equipment will be

removed.

4.2. Bromley Town Centre Area Action Plan – Any comments to be

submitted by 6th February 2009.

4.3. Green Roof Café at High Elms – They have applied for a new

premises licence.

4.4. Borough Briefing has been received.

5. POLICE

5.1. Layhams Road Traveller’s Site had been visited in an operation

called “Autumn Harvest”. It involved the Darwin Safer Neighbour-

hood Team, DVLA, Trading Standards, Inland Revenue & Traffic

Police. An Environment Agency Licence had been granted to take

on site concrete, crush it and remove it. They had not removed it

and a large heap resulted.

The Travellers were dumping waste water and there are fears for

the effect on the water course.

5.2. A shed was broken into in West Hill and a lawn mower and a

cycle were stolen.

5.3. There has been criminal damage to a vehicle in Mill Lane.

5.4. The local Safer Neighbourhood Team had received an award for

their youth work and saddle marking.

6. ROAD SAFETY

6.1. Speed Checks in Cudham Lane. The mean speed was 31mph.

85% at 36mph.

6.2. The road safety adverts erected in High Elms Road have been

removed. If you were reading them on the bends, you were not

watching the road.

6.3. The Chairman raised the question of the number of road works

which are no longer lit at night. DW will take the matter up.

Cllr. Bloomfield arrived at this point having been to another meeting.

7. AIRPORT

Replies had been received about Police Helicopters being based

at Biggin Hill from John Horam MP and James Cleverly GLA. It

seems that they want to re-fuel after the airport closes. This would

require a change in the lease. We trust a Public Meeting will be

called, if or when an application is made to the Council by Biggin

Hill Airport and prior to any change in the lease.

8. WORLD HERITAGE SITE

8.1.The bid is to be resubmitted in January under the title of “Darwin’s

Landscape Laboratory.” A map was displayed showing the new

buffer zones.

8.2.The London Tourist Board and the London Development Agency

have conducted surveys on visitors. How they travelled here and

how long they have stayed in the village etc.

9. BROMLEY HOSPITALS TRUST

A meeting was held at the Civic Centre and our chairman attended.

An Independent Management Review was reported by Mike Taylor.

Mr Alderman the Trust chairman was present.

The Trust is £100m in debt plus £23m for wages. The proposal

Is to amalgamate the Hospital Trusts of Bromley, Greenwich and

Queen Mary’s. The Beckenham Beacon cost £23m and funding was

withdrawn but no adjustments were made.

The administration was reviewed by an appointed inspector who

made 40 recommendations, most of which have been carried out.

There will be no prosecutions over the mis-management.

The Primrose Centre housed in the chapel at the PRU are in

dispute with the management as they are expected to pay £40,000

p.a. in rent and they are a charity. The Primrose Centre thought

that they were getting the use of the premises free. They have

spent all their money fitting it out and are unable to use it.

10. COUNCILLOR BLOOMFIELD

10.1. New Hangar – residents of Jail Lane are protesting about the

siting of a large hangar near their homes. It is unfortunately

permitted development.

10.2. The conversion of outbuildings at Petleys goes before committee

on the 28th November.

10.3. Broom Bank, Shire Lane. There has been no request for a badger

survey to DW. The applicant has to arrange it.

10.4. Lower Hook Business Park – This has B6 & B8 use. B8 covers

warehouse sales.

10.5. Christmas Tree Farm chalet erected on site. No application has

been made so the site will be visited.

10.6. Grasslands Farm – This has been passed to the legal dept.

10.7. 17 High Street – The aviary there should have been removed over

a year ago. Case has passed to the legal dept.

10.8. Heritage Centre – Plans are being prepared for the Leavesden

site.

10.9. Maples, Single Street – The appeal for the fence and gates there

to remain has been dismissed.

11. PLANNING MATTERS

11.1. Terrysfield Luxted Road – Stables & riding arena. Approved

11.2. Land at rear of Holwood Cottages – Storage of wood & chippings

Matter raised with Council.

12. PLANNING APPLICATIONS

12.1. St. Mary’s Cottage, High Elms Road – Intention to fell one prunus

in front garden. TREES IN CONSERVATION AREA

12.2. Shire Farm, Farthing Street – Proposed stables, hay barn & tack

room. Application to move to adjacent field.

13. ANY OTHER BUSINESS

Natural England have given grants to improve the banking on

West Kent Golf Club by the public footpath.

14. The Chairman expressed thanks to our hosts Dave & Dorothy

Witherspoon.

15. Next meeting Friday 6th February 2009 at 8pm in Downe Village

Hall.

Signed: D Powell

Chairman

Date: 13th February 2009

ANNUAL GENERAL MEETING

THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEETING OF THE DOWNE RESIDENTS’ ASSOCIATION WILL BE HELD IN THE

DOWNE VILLAGE HALL

FRIDAY 6th MARCH 2009 at 8 pm

THE MEETING IS OPEN TO ALL RESIDENTS OF THE PARISH OF DOWNE OVER 18 YEARS OF AGE

AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEETING A NEW COMMITTEE IS ELECTED AND ANY RESIDENT OF DOWNE PARISH OVER 18 YEARS OF AGE WHO IS WILLING TO SERVE ON THE COMMITTEE IS INVITED TO GIVE HIS OR HER NAME TO THE SECRETARY: MRS B. POWELL Tel: 01959 573283

ITEMS UNDER ANY OTHER BUSINESS SHOULD BE NOTIFIED TO

MRS POWELL AS ABOVE

DARWIN WARD COUNCILLOR PETER BLOOMFIELD WILL ATTEND

A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE METROPOITAN POLICE SAFER NEIGHBOURHOOD TEAM WILL ATTEND

GUEST SPEAKER TO BE ANNOUNCED WHEN CONFIRMED

PRESENT COMMITTEE MEMBERS ARE :

JOYCE CAMBER DAVE EVANS

JOHN ISBELL JEREMY LAMBOURNE

STEVE JEWELL ALAN PERRY

SID POTTER BRENDA POWELL

DEREK POWELL DAVE WITHERSPOON

DOWNE RESIDENTS’ ASSOCIATION

Minutes of the Committee Meeting held on Thursday 16th October 2008

at 8pm in Downe Village Hall.

Present: J.Camber, D.Evans, J.Isbell, S.Jewell, T.Peskett, B.Powell, D.Powell (Chairman), D.Witherspoon and Councillor P.Bloomfield

1. APOLOGIES: J. Lambourne & S.Potter

2. MINUTES: The Minutes of the meeting held on 12th September

2008 had been circulated and were taken as read, were

confirmed and signed.

3. MATTERS ARISING: There were no matters arising.

4. CORRESPONDENCE

4.1. Planning Seminar: Notification of the seminar to be held on 22nd

November has been received. D.P., DW & BP will attend.

4.2. Borough Briefing has also been received.

5. PATRICK PHILLIPS – Head of Parks & Greenspaces.

5.1. Councillor Bloomfield and our chairman met with Mr Phillips and

it was agreed that 5 hanging baskets would be installed in the

village centre with bulbs for the winter and flowers in June.

5.2. The Japanese Knotweed problem at the foot of New Road Hill

will be dealt with in the Spring of 2009.

5.3. The beech tree outside Walnut Tree Cottage will be examined

and a decision will be made as to any further action.

6. TELEPHONE KIOSK at Luxted junction Birdhouse Lane.

The latest news is that it will remain thanks to Trevor Rogers but

the apparatus will be removed.

Our secretary will make one more appeal to BT to retain some

form of apparatus to service the area which has poor reception

on the mobile phone system.

7. POLICE

7.1. Fairlawn Stables, Farthing Street. Theft of JCB.

7.1. Downe Court Manor. Gates were rammed.

7.2. To ring the police on non-urgent matters dial: 0300 123 1212

this is to release pressure on the 999 system.

7.3. Speed limits in Main Road, Biggin Hill are under review and

there is a consultation running with Biggin Hill residents only.

7.4. A number of complaints were received regarding the advisory

signs erected in High Elms Road. Contact was made with the

Council’s Road Safety Department and they will be removed.

8. AIRPORT

8.1. There is controversy over a hanger to be built under permitted

development 100 yards from houses in Jail Lane.

8.2. Police helicopters. There is a rumour that they intend to use

Biggin Hill Airport 24/7 which is outside the lease restrictions.

We wrote to John Horam MP and James Cleverly our GLA rep,

who have acknowledged our complaint and will be in touch soon

9. VILLAGE HALL – Nothing to report.

10. COUNCILLOR BLOOMFIELD

10.1. Bromley Area Action Plan is out for consultation. Concern has

been raised over the tower blocks proposed and 2000 housing

units are planned to get people living in the town centre.

10.2. Land west of Broom Bank Reservoir – Permission has been

granted for fencing to retain sheep. We asked for a survey as

there could well be badgers there but DW has not been asked.

10.3. Bogey Lane. There is an investigation following a complaint by

a resident over the expense of measures to prevent the

dumping of rubbish.

11. WORLD HERITAGE SITE

11.1. A new bid has been submitted under the title of “Darwin’s

Landscape Laboratory” instead of “Darwin at Downe”.

The reason for the change in title is that the emphasis is on

the area where Darwin carried out his observations, rather

than the man.

11.2. A meeting of the Downe Community Forum is arranged for

24th October in the Village Hall.

12. PLANNING

12.1. Parsons Hill Field, Luxted Road – Appeal against refusal of

riding arena - Retrospective Application

12.2. Terrysfield, Luxted Road – Formation of all weather riding

arena 50m x 25m & stable block

12.3. Petleys, Luxted Road – Part demolition of existing barn/store

& two storey extension to existing stable to form two bedroom

ancillary accommodation. Listed Building Consent.

12.4. Grasslands Farm, High Elms Road. Enforcement action has

has been taken but building materials remain.

13. ANY OTHER BUSINESS

13.1. D.W. reported that the RSPCA had been called to High Elms

where 5 dogs had been abandoned.

13.2. D.W. also remarked on the poor quality grass cutting in the

village. Mr Phillips to be contacted.

13.3. D.Evans asked about the Heritage Centre at Biggin Hill. Our

councillor stated that the previously assigned site on the

Leavesden side of Main Road was to be persued with a

planning application.

13.4. Sunday Teas raised £140. Thanks to all who contributed.

The meeting closed at 10.30pm.

Signed D Powell

Chairman

Date 27/11/2008

DOWNE RESIDENTS’ ASSOCIATION

Minutes of the meeting on 12th September 2008 held in Downe Village Hall.

Present: D.Evans, J.Lambourne, A.Perry, Mrs Peskett (Guest), B.Powell,

D.Powell (Chairman), T.Rogers (Guest) and Councillor Bloomfield.

1. APOLOGIES J.Camber, S.Potter, J.Isbell & S.Jewell

2. The Chairman welcomed our guests Mrs Peskett and Trevor Rogers.

3. MINUTES

The of 8th August 2008 had been circulated and were taken as read and DW asked that Item 9.3 be amended from helicopters to aircraft. Theamendment made, the minutes were approved and signed.

4. LUXTED FARM PHONE BOX

The chairman had invited Trevor Rogers of Luxted Farm to explain the situation regarding the telephone box which is on his land at Luxted.

Mr Rogers explained that he had received correspondence from BT stating

that they would be decommissioning the phone box as a result of lack of use. It could be left without the apparatus and there would be a fee of £1 to retain the box, but it would not be operational.

There followed a discussion and ended with agreement that we write to

Stewart Clarke and Peter Martin LBB asking for their assistance, even if it was only for 999 calls. Secretary to write to BT asking for it to be retained,

especially as there are no mobile phone signals in Luxted.

5. CORRESPONDENCE

5.1. We have been notified that the Planning Seminar is on 22nd November.

5.2. Bob Neill MP wrote in response to our letter on the sub-division of agricultural land, with regard to the response received from Ian Wright MP. Our correspondence has been passed to James Cleverly GLA member for our area.

6. MEETING WITH PATRICK PHILLIPS HEAD OF PARKS ETC.

6.1. Councillor Bloomfield and our Chairman are to meet with Patrick on

Monday 15th September to discuss hanging baskets for the village, tree

pruning in the High Street, the state of the tree pruned outside Walnut Tree

Cottage also the clearance of Japanese Knotweed in New Road Hill.

6. POLICE

6.1. DW reported that 6 arrests were made at High Elms for criminal damage.

6.2. Saddle stamping has been carried out by the Safer Neighbourhood Team.

6.3. There have been night burglaries in Downe Road.

6.4. A builders vehicle was stolen from “The Rookery”.

6.5. 20 mph speed limit. Enforcement is the problem.

7. ROAD SAFETY

Accident statistics were passed to the chairman. Local roads were very low

on the chart.

8. AIRPORT

There is a rumour that the Metropolitan Police Air Support Unit (ASU) are

contemplating moving from Lippits Hill, Essex to Biggin Hill.

Secretary to write to John Horam MP and James Cleverly GLA to ask if

there is any foundation to this rumour.

9. TREE WARDEN

Concern was expressed that a tree outside Walnut Tree Cottage was pruned severely without any planning application. Matter will be raised at the meeting with Patrick Phillips, Head of Parks & Greenspaces.

10. COUNCILLOR BLOOMFIELD

10.1. Meeting is arranged regarding the tree pruning & hanging baskets etc and lack of consultation between departments.

10.2. Vicarage at Cudham. A planning application is awaited regarding the Parish Hall site.

10.3. 17 High Street, Downe. The aviary erected in their front garden is still there over a year after their appeal to retain it failed. Bromley Council will be taking further action.

10.4. The two new stable blocks at the foot of New Road Hill opposite Holwood Farm Cottages are being investigated.

10.5. Bromley Area Action Plan. This plan will take at least 15years to come into fruition. Large areas of the High Street will be redeveloped.

10.6. Bromley College, London Road. The land adjacent in Tweedy Road has been refused planning permission to erect flats on the grounds of design, size and lack of sympathy with the College a Listed Building. An appeal is likely.

10.7. Parking in the Bromley Plan. Councillor stated it is to be discouraged. J.Lambourne felt that parking should be free in town centres to attract business away from out-of-town shopping centres.

11. PLANNING

11.1. Lot1b land west of Broom Bank Woodland Shire Lane. Use of land for the keeping & exercising of horses, erection of boundary fencing and siting of a storage container & mobile muck trailer and new access track. Refused.

11.2. Land west of Broom Bank Reservoir, Shire Lane. Use of land for grazing sheep/ 1.2.metre high post & rail fencing. Written querying fencing and Site of Importance for Nature Conservation.

11.3. Sunny Meadow, Birdhouse Lane. 2 storey front & rear extension.

Permission granted.

11.4. 8 High Street – Garden shed.

11.5. The Bungalow, Green Hill. S/s side extension & roof extension including increase in roof height & front dormer to form first floor.

11.6. Parsons Hill Field are appealing against refusal of a riding area & all

weather turnout arena. This was a retrospective planning application.

12. ANY OTHER BUSINESS

J.L. asked if other members have problems with digital TV reception.

It was agreed there are problems and in general it is poor.

The meeting closed at 10pm

Signed D Powell

Chairman

Date 16.10.08

DOWNE RESIDENTS’ ASSOCIATION

The Minutes of the Committee Meeting held on Friday 8th August 2008 at 8pm in Downe Village Hall.

Present: J.Camber, D.Evans, A.Perry, B.Powell, D.Witherspoon

D.Powell (Chairman) and Councillor Bloomfield.

1. Apologies: S.Potter, J.Lambourne and J.Isbell.

2. The Minutes of the previous meeting held on 27th June had been circulated and were taken as read with the amendment to Item 7.7 to read: “Two new enforcement officers – not one”. The minutes were agreed and signed.

3. MATTERS ARISING

3.1. The footpath adjacent to 17 High Street is still not repaired.

3.2. Footpath adjacent to “Little Crowhill”, Rookery Road is

being misused by cyclists and horseriders. Officer of the Council

has visited and could not find evidence of this.

4. CORRESPONDENCE - Borough Briefing

5. LIME TREE SEAT

This has been replaced and we have complained that the old section should have been cleaned. Our offer to clean it has not been taken up by the Council.

6. HANGING BASKETS IN THE CONSERVATION AREA

We requested of the Head of Parks and Greenspaces department if we could have some hanging baskets. A site meeting was held with Nicholas Babb his assistant, who stated the cost would be £80 per basket and there are two to each lamp post. Patrick Phillips, the Head of the Dept had stated that if residents were prepared to maintain the baskets by watering every day, that would be considered our contribution to the partnership. Mr Babb has contradicted this by quoting the cost.

Our Councillor will look into the matter.

7. GREEN ISSUES

7.1. Japanese Knotweed is in the hedgerows at the bottom of New Road Hill. It has been cut down by the road but can be seen on Downe Court Stables land. Our Councillor asked officers to contact our secretary – which they have not done.

7.2. Alison Bolt has left the Countryside Rangers and we have a new person in charge of the Community Orchard, Sarah Adams.

Unfortunately, she states there will be only one cut of the grass,

a conservation cut in September or October. It looks a mess and probably worse than when it was unused allotments.

7.3.The Council will remove a dead tree opposite Captains Croft Luxted Road. (Eventually).

8. POLICE

8.1. Dave Witherspoon reported that saddle marking had been undertaken by the Safer Neighbourhood Team. At least 52 stables were involved.

8.2. Thirty two crimes were reported between 7 July and 7 August. 4 as no crimes, 9 thefts, 4 residential burglaries,2 garage burglaries, 2 thefts involving motor vehicles, 2 assaults, 1 criminal damage, I possession of drugs, 6 domestic incidents and 1 theft from motor vehicle.

8.3. Having attended a Road Safety meeting, DW asked for a response in imposing a 20mph speed limit. Members were divided questioning implementing enforcement.

8.4. Dave Evans drew attention to the dangerous speed of vehicles using Birdhouse Lane.

9. AIRPORT

9.1. Changes in the flight paths approaching Heathrow and Gatwick should not affect Downe.

9.2. DE remarked he saw a helicopter land at Highams Farm and our Councillor stated that if could do so for 28 days a year.

9.3. DW asked why the increase in helicopters in the Luxted area of late. This could not be accounted for.

10. COUNCILLOR BLOOMFIELD

10.1. Downe Baptist Church have consulted over proposed roof changes. Application is awaited.

10.2. Cllr was unable to make a meeting regarding the future of a Vicarage. There were several suggestions by Cudham residents including building the vicarage on the site of the Parish Hall and extending the pavilion in the rec. Meantime the search goes on for a suitable vicarage.

10.3. Grasslands Farm, High Elms Road. Under the terms of their enforcement notice they have 14 days to remove all building materials.

10.4. The developer of Holwood Farm buildings wants to change the approved plans. The outcome awaits.

11. PLANNING APPLICATIONS

11.1. 3 Holwood Cottages, Shire Lane. Another plan has been submitted for part one/two storey side/rear extension.

11.2. Lot 1b Land west of Broom Bank Woodland – Use of land for the keeping & exercising of horses; erection of boundary fencing & siting of steel storage container & mobile muck trailer & new access track. Objection sent.

12. PLANNING DECISIONS

12.1. Terrysfield, Luxted Road – Erection of stable block within the curtilage of private dwelling for a purpose incidental to the use of the host dwelling & formation of sand school for riding. REFUSED

12.2. Parsons Hill Field, Luxted Road – Riding area and all weather turnout paddock. Retrospective application. REFUSED

12.3. Land west of Broom Bank Reservoir, Shire Lane – Erect 4 feet post & rail fencing & two 12m x 12m mobile field shelters. To change from agricultural to grazing & exercise for horses. REFUSED.

12.4. Sunny Meadow, Birdhouse Lane – Part one/two storey rear extension. REFUSED.

12.5. Moonrakers, Birdhouse Lane – Demolition of existing bungalow & erection of detached two storey 3 bedroom dwelling. PERMISSION GRANTED.

13. WORLD HERITAGE SITE

13.1. The Steering Committee met on 4 August where we were updated on the progress of the new application. The findings of the special gathering of experts in January has been submitted to the WH main committee at their meeting in Canada. They were accepted in principle but are unlikely to be implemented until 2010.

13.2. The current application proposed for Darwin at Downe must now be redirected towards the scientific side of his work rather than the place he resided and evidence is being gathered to support the areas where Darwin actually carried out his research.

13.3. The Charles Darwin Trust have abandoned the idea of developing Buckston Browne Farm and are now working on the education side with Down House and English Heritage.

13.4 We raised the question of a report that transport costs for

pupils buses to the new BEECHE building at High Elms they are prohibitive and pupils are now using local open spaces near their schools for outdoor study rather than BEECHE.

14. ANY OTHER BUSINESS

14.1. Telephone box at Luxted. – Concern was raised by DE

that there were possible moves to remove the box outside Luxted Farm. Cllr. advised contact with Stewart Clarke to prevent it.

14.2. Our chairman has received a complaint about the large notices at the entrances to the car parks in High Elms Road,

which remind users to safeguard their property when leaving their car. It was felt that the notices are intrusive and could be better designed and displayed in the car parks rather than the entrances. We have attempted to get them removed before to no avail.

14.3. J. Camber informed the meeting that there are plans to celebrate the birth of Charles Darwin by having a special service

in the church on 15th February 2009 at 4.30pm. The Bishop of Rochester will officiate.

14.4. Sunday Teas on 3rd August raised £123.80. The chairman thanked all who helped and contributed.

14.5. The chairman has received information regarding 2 blocks of stables being erected on land adjacent to the footpath opposite Holwood Farm Cottage in New Road Hill. No planning application has been made. Councillor will deal.

NEXT MEETING FRIDAY 12th SEPTEMBER 2008

DOWNE RESIDENTS’ ASSOCIATION

Minutes of the Committee Meeting held on Thursday 26th June 2008 at 8pm at ‘Lynndon’ Luxted Road as The Village Hall was not available.

Present: J. Camber, D. Evans, J. Isbell, S. Jewell, A. Perry, S. Potter, B.Powell

D. Witherspoon, D. Powell, (Chairman) and Councillor P. Bloomfield.

Apologies: J. Lambourne

1. MINUTES The minutes of the meeting held on 28th April 2008 had been

circulated and were taken as read and were approved and signed.

2. MATTERS ARISING

2.1. The Environment Agency has yet to be contacted regarding the flood risk

classification of Downe on their web site.

2.2. Public footpath between Standard Road and the recreation ground has

been repaired although some cracks need attention. The right of way

between High Street and High Elms Road adjacent to 17 High St is still

outstanding.

3. CORRESPONDENCE

3.1. Notification of new bus stops by Transport for London – There will be no

more request stops, all stops will be compulsory stops. Hail and ride

routes are to be reviewed.

3.2. The new planning application forms are the subject of public consultation

and our secretary has written as the new form no longer gives the existing

and proposed size of development.

3.3. John Horam MP has replied to our letter regarding the sub division of

agricultural land, with a copy of the response from Iain Wright MP.,

Parliamentary under Secretary of State for Communities and Local

Government. He states that the Government has been considering issues

we raised for several years and they have decided in the Planning White

Paper of May 2007 and the Planning Bill that Article 4 approval by the

Secretary of State is not now required. The necessary legislation required

to affect the change will be after the passage of the Planning Bill is

complete.

3.4. Letter received from Judith Cross Chairperson of Darwin Safer Neigh-

bourhood Panel, commenting on our minutes of November 2007 request-

ing they are amended. Our Chairman had responded that as our minutes

were an approved record based on information at the time of the meeting.

Members were critical of the Judith Cross letter.

3.5. Orpington Town Centre Plan – Masterplan for 2010 and beyond. Copies

of the Masterplan Summary were distributed.

3.6. Downe Activity Centre. Application for New Premises License for

Campdowne 2008. Bar facilities required for helpers.

4. POLICE – Dave Witherspoon reports:

4.1. Flytipping of used tyres at 20 Acre Shaw and The Woodfolk site at

Cudham. A Mercedes van, no registration, was spotted in the Sevenoaks

Area which has also been targeted.

4.2. Cherry Tree Lodge Golf Club. Theft of six golf buggies, High Elms theft

of catalytic converter, Green Hill theft of an ornamental bell and 20 Acre

Shaw had its field gate stolen.

4.3. The local Safer Neighbourhood Team met at Eldon Hall for a session of

saddle identification stamping. There are 52 stables in Darwin Ward.

4.4. The volume of Air Fair traffic on the Sunday was horrendous. The matter

will no doubt be the subject of a review for next year. Police presence was

low in the Downe area.

4.5. Road Safety Panel. They would like to see 20mph on all urban roads in

the Borough and have requested a survey. The committees reaction was in

favour but doubted there would be enforcement and therefore questioned

the expense and usefulness.

5. AIRPORT – Derek Powell reports:

Questions have arisen by various parties regarding the existing lease. The

overwhelming opinion is that it should not be altered.

6. VILLAGE HALL

6.1. John Isbell reported the cake stand has been repaired.

6.2. Hire charges will no longer be hourly. In future they will be in sessions.

7. COUNCILLOR PETER BLOOMFIELD

7.1. Grasslands Farm, High Elms Road. There is an enforcement notice

regarding the storage of building materials.

The Certificate of Lawfulness for an Existing Use was refused.

An Untidy Site Notice 215 has been served.

7.2. The recent serious fire at Hangrove is being investigated.

7.3. Enquiries have been made regarding the Baptist Church roof being

changed from a flat roof to a pitched roof.

7.4. Lantana, Birdhouse Lane. Their appeal for extensions has been dismissed.

7.5. Moonrakers, Birdhouse Lane. They are asking for an extra 39 sq. metres

which was difficult to ascertain from the new planning form.

7.6. Church Road, Farnborough. A consultation is underway to make it no

entry from Shire Lane.

7.7. Bob McQuillan continues to be Acting Chief Planner and a new Enforce-

ment Officer will be employed.

7.8. Swimming Pool, Biggin Hill on the Library site. This has achieved

planning permission on the casting vote of the Chairman of Development

Control, Alexa Michael.

8. PLANNING

8.1. TERRYSFIELD, Luxted Road. Erection of stable block within the

curtilage of a private dwelling for a purpose incidental to the use of the

host dwelling & formation of a sand school for riding. Refused.

8.2. PARSONS HILL FIELD, Luxted Road. Riding area & all weather

turnout paddock. Retrospective application. Decision awaited.

8.3. LAND WEST OF BROOM BANK RESERVOIR, Shire Lane. To erect

4 feet post & rail fencing & two 12x12 mobile field shelters. To change

from agricultural to grazing & exercise for horses. Decision awaited.

8.4. SUNNY MEADOW, Birdhouse Lane. Ground floor & 1st floor alterations

& extensions of rear garage with dressing room over. Decision awaited.

8.5. MOONRAKERS, Birdhouse Lane. Demolition of existing bungalow &

erection of detached 2 storey 3 bedroom dwelling with vehicular access.

Decision awaited.

9. ANY OTHER BUSINESS

9.1. Dave Evans reported that a letter of complaint regarding planning

activities had been sent FALSELY in his name to the Council.

9.2. Dave Evans reported that Mr Rogers of Luxted Farm had been informed

that British Telecom are considering removing the telephone kiosk on his

land. Members expressed opposition to any such move as mobile phone

signals are very poor in the area and in most places they are non-existant.

It was a useful for campers at both Greenwich and Downe Activity

Centre.

9.3. Sid Potter reported that the public footpath adjacent to “Little Crow Hill,

Rookery Road was being used by horse riders and motorcyclists.

10. SUNDAY TEAS

Our turn for teas is 3rd August. Offers of help, cake and stall items would

be appreciated.

The meeting closed at 10.30pm.

NEXT MEETING in DOWNE VILLAGE HALL on FRIDAY

8th AUGUST at 8pm.

DOWNE RESIDENTS ASSOCIATION - COMMITTEE MEETING

To be held on Thursday 26TH JUNE 2008 at ‘LYNNDON’ LUXTED ROAD

AGENDA

1. APOLOGIES

2. MINUTES of the previous meeting on 18th April 2008

3. MATTERS ARISING

4. CORRESPONDENCE

4.1. John Horam MP – Response from Ian Wright Parliamentary Under Secretary of State for Communities & Local Government re sub-division of agricultural land

4.2. Orpington Town Centre - Masterplan – 2010 and beyond

4.3. Judith Cross – Chair of Darwin Safer Neighbourhood Panel request

4.4. Downe Activity Centre – Application for New Premises License for Campdowne

5.    REPS REPORTS

5.1. Police & Road Safety

5.2.   Airport

5.3. Village Hall

5.4. Residents’ Federation

6. COUNCILLOR BLOOMFIELD

7. PLANNING APPLICATIONS

TERRYSFIELD, Luxted Road – Erection of stable block within cartilage of private dwelling for a purpose incidental to the use of the host dwelling & formation of sand school for riding

PARSONS HILL FIELD, Luxted Road – Riding area & all weather turnout paddock.

Retrospective Application

LAND WEST OF BROOM BANK RESERVOIR Shire Lane – To erect 4 feet post & rail fencing & two 12x12 mobile field shelters. To change from agricultural to grazing & exercise for horses

SUNNY MEADOW, Birdhouse Lane – Ground floor & 1st floor alterations & extensions of rear garage with dressing room over.

MOONRAKERS, Birdhouse Lane – Demolition of existing bungalow & erection of detached two storey 3 bedroom dwelling with associated vehicular access.

8. PLANNING MATTERS - Biggin Hill Swimming Pool/Library - Approved

DOWNE RESIDENTS’ASSOCIATION

Minutes of the meeting held on 18th April 2008 in Downe Village Hall

Present: D.Witherspoon, B.Powell, J.Camber, J.Isbell, D.Evans, D.Powell (Chairman) & Councillor P.Bloomfield

Apologies: S.Jewell, J.Lambourne, S.Potter & A.Perry

1. MINUTES The Minutes of the meeting held on 22nd January had been circulated and were taken as read, confirmed and signed.

2. MATTERS ARISING There were no Matters Arising.

3. ELECTION OF COMMITTEE

Chairman Derek Powell Proposed D.Witherspoon Seconded J.Camber

Vice Chairman D.Witherspoon “ J.Camber “ D.Powell

Hon. Secretary B.Powell “ J.Isbell “ J.Camber

Hon. Treasurer J.Lambourne “ B.Powell “ D.Powell

Police & Road Safety D.Witherspoon “ D.Powell “ B.Powell

Planning B.Powell “ D.Witherspoon “ D.Powell

Airport D.Powell “ B.Powell “ D Witherspoon

Federation B.Powell “ D.Powell “ J.Camber

Village Hall J.Isbell “ B.Powell “ D.Powell

Tree Warden D.Evans “ D.Powell “ J.Camber

4. CORRESPONDENCE Letter received from Pauline Dawson re Christmas Lights (24 February). She stated there is no longer a committee and the lights are in the hands of Toby Harlow.

5. POLICE

5.1. PC Cockbain is acting Sergeant during the absence of the PS. We now have a full team

5.2. There is little crime in Darwin Ward but there is crime in the surrounding areas.

5.3. Safer Neighbourhood Panel minutes are on the web and the last ones are for November

5.4. A new ‘Snooper van’ to catch illegal parkers has been introduced.

5.5 The SNP have asked the police Safer Neighbourhood Team to look into the following concerns of residents:
a) Seat belts not being worn by drivers & passengers

b) Using mobile phones whilst driving.

6. AIRPORT The cause of the recent tragic plane crash at Farnborough is being investigated.

7. FEDERATION At their AGM our chairman D.Powell was elected as their Vice Chairman. At their next meeting in May the guest speaker will be the Chief Executive of Bromley Council, Doug Patterson.

8. TREE WARDEN D.Evans expressed concern that Bromley are not replacing street trees like for like and even worse not native varieties.

9. COUNCILLOR BLOOMFIELD

9.1. Re-organisation of council departments is proposed and has yet to be approved by by the Council.

9.2. The Vicarage at Cudham has received delegated approval for conversion into 6 flats.

9.3. Concern over re-routing of the National Air Traffic Scheme should not affect this area. The changes are over North London and Essex.

9.4. Holwood Farmhouse and immediate environs was up for sale on 10th April.

9.5. Hangrove Hill. A new resident has requested a speed restriction in the area.

9.6. Primrose Farm, Jail Lane. This farm has been sold.

10. PLANNING

Planning Applications

10.1. Downe Activity Centre – Renew permission for 3 mobile units

10.2. The Manse Luxted Road – Remove Leylandii screen & a sycamore if found unsafe

Planning Matters

10.3 Petley’s Farm – Barn for conversion - Refused

10.4 Christmas Tree Farm – Replacement barn – Approved

10.5 Pine Cottage, Mill Lane – Side extension + front & rear dormers – Approved

10.6 3, Holwood Cottages, Shire Lane – Demolition of side extension & replace with two storey extension – Refused

10.7 Parsons Field, Luxted Road – Query sand school without permission

11. BOGEY LANE This right of way is to be closed for a while to allow maintenance to be carried out shortly.

12. BEECHE (Bromley Environmental & Educational Centre at High Elms). This new building has been officially opened on the same site as the former Nature Centre in High Elms Road.

13. RESIDENTS’ ASSOCIATION AGM – Alister Hayes was the Guest Speaker and is Bid Manager for the World Heritage Site. The grand sum of £56.75 was donated by villagers towards our funds. Thank you.

14. SUNDAY TEAS DATES – 3rd AUGUST & 21st SEPTEMBER

15. ENVIRONMENT AGENCY – Due to a residents recent claim on their house

insurance, it has come to light that the agency has decided that we live in a flood risk area. It was decided we should try and get this withdrawn due to the height we are above sea level. (Approx. 600 feet).

16. The meeting closed at 10.15pm.